Just need to take a break and especially calm down with posting. I’ll be back.
That and so much more:)
Of course! Come back when you’re ready again.
One of my favorite songs ever… I don’t wonder why.
Thought you might like to hear it.
[Delayed response, sorry!! I needed some time to properly convey my infatuation with this woman]
Oh yes, Prof Bonnie Bassler is an unstoppable ball of energy.
Exactly, I saw the ENFP-ish enthusiasm too with all the rushed speech. However, this was definitely just due to the time limit. When I’ve seen her, she gave a 45min talk and there she took her time. It was more or less the same thing she presented in the TED talk but with data. I would say the overall lecture did not feel crammed. She took lots of little pauses in between each point for the extra emphatic effect. They’re like “Ni-pauses.” She let her presence speak during those silences.
And YES, to her channeling her data pieces towards one grand picture. She conveys the picture well without too much confusing detail. She really drives home the message of the significance of her work from top to bottom. This is not only important to engage interest in the public (who funds our work) but also scientists themselves. As we are all specialists, it’s hard to really understand or appreciate others’ work unless it is explained properly.
Which leads me to the next video you posted of Bonnie! She’s right. Science shouldn’t be closed to a bunch of dead-ass boring male elitists. It’s no wonder that in the Trump era, basic research funding has been cut in the States due to this general suspicious attitude towards “experts.” Part of the blame should go to scientists themselves. We don’t make it accessible, so how can the public understand that what we are doing actually is significant? And the funny thing is, it’s not that difficult to understand it, if it is explained properly. Everybody, even those with the most minimal experience can contribute interesting ideas. And often, that is the case. Fresh eyes are what lead to discovery, not extensive knowledge, funnily enough.
So there! Here’s a case where an ENFJ could be great in a technical, supposedly dry-ass field. They make it all inspiring and shit. And that’s how it should be. Bonnie’s approach is basically to be a mouthpiece for all the talented scientists working underneath her. She’s just pitching for funding, which is singly the most important thing that will drive science anyways.
And she acknowledges her subordinates, too. That’s very rare. Most famous scientists (especially male ones - don’t even get me started ) take all the fucking credit from their subordinates. That goes for Nobel laureates too. Dang, they all the same no matter where you go! So arrogant and unfair. But nope, not Bonnie! She has just the right amount of “arrogance” (more like magnanimity) whilst being fair at the same time! A win for Fe dominance!
I think so. Truth is, if all ENFJs decided to go into modelling and acting, we plebians would be fucked. They are capable leaders no matter what the field. And generally pretty compassionate and fair too. No ENFJs = loss of good bosses = unhappy subordinates = eventual death of field. Especially in science - INTPs, ISTJs, INTJs becoming eventual leaders? Don’t get me started on how they’re like as leaders. Their lack of social skills/charisma contributes to 60-90% of starving scientists’ suffering.
Damn, we really need ENFJs! They rock at everything. It ain’t fair.
Interestingly enough, Bonnie said that if she didn’t pursue science she would become a movie star.
Thanks for sharing your love for this incredible beast of a woman! And yeah, I’m so lucky to have met her, but she wasn’t all that lucky to meet me. I’m just an ant to her godlike presence. But to think that she was so willing to meet tiny little PhD students and have lunch with them without huffing and puffing and rolling her eyes really meant a lot to me.
I apologize for this one-sided soliloquy of shit that most people here don’t care about.
The point is: ENFJs are awesome.
Whatever keeps this thread alive!
Some classic ENFJ faces inside.
Feel free to (non)respond when and if you want/can, no worries! That’s not to say that I don’t appreciate finding a long post here.
I’m going on a tangent here, but this reminded of PhD blogs/pages preparing students for their thesis defense and half-jokingly warning you to always be well-informed about the committee members’ own research topics, as the questions will inevitably circle back to their work and how what you did might or might not be linked to theirs. “Humm, very interesting, but are you familiar with X theory?” (X theory just happening to be their field of expertise) haha
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this! I’ll try to stop here and not drift the topic too much into a conversation about academia, because I’ve fought with the idea of doing a PhD as well and I get it (mixed feelings for life because thank you Te). Also the importance of good leaders (and mentors!), the way funding and publishing works and all the goddamn ego boosting… I might have been in a more Fe-heavy lab in social sciences, but I swear, all the complimenting and sugar coating and “that was so very interesting and thank you for a great presentation…bla bla bla” as an intro to the 5th audience member’s question was just too much!! I did get the chance to spend a few months in an economy lab and it was full of NTs and much more refreshing. But not for me, though.
All this to say that I’m happy that there are people like you in these “dry”, technical fields and they would all benefit from more diversity and fresh perspectives.
Speaking of whom… I present you Hedy Lamarr, the perfect woman, Hollywood “bombshell” and inventor. Sadly, her brilliant mind was completely unacknowledged during her lifetime.
I’ll take her back. I’m thinking E3 ESFP.
Huh! I think I’m seeing ISTP in her.
She’s probably just French.
Nevermind, I’m drunk. I’m going to think this through again.
Hey, I was about to respond to that!
I didn’t think anything, but when you’ve said Mélanie Laurent seems ISTP to you, I immediatelly remembered Chartlotte Gainsbourg. Whom I thought to be ENFJ.
Example of what you’ve said about French women being hard to impress:
In the middle of the day!
Me too! Come on, Schloppy, that was an interesting topic! I’m also really curious to know what you guys think France’s country profile is. To me, it feels like a very introvert-friendly (and Fi friendly) place.
Now I don’t know what to say of French women, but Parisian women on the other hand…
Yeah, but this clip shouldn’t be taken at face value. There’s a lot of other shit going on here. Her family was brutally murdered by the Germans (WWII movie). And this is a German solider. Actually, a celebrated German soldier for killing a shit ton of the allied forces while he was alone in a cupola or something. So of course she’s gonna give him the cold shoulder. She’s planning to kill a lot Germans as justice/revenge to her family. He literally is in the way.
I guess it’s about time I rewatched the movie!
The deleted drunken rambling:
So you don’t think she’s ENFJ then? Sounds like it at least.
What type could the French best represent? To be honest, whenever I’ve encountered French people, I get strong ISTP whiffs. Although, if one considers French cultural works…well then, I don’t know.
Yes, I know, America is ISTP. France and America both being ISTP? I mean, it doesn’t make sense.
However, I do feel like ISTPs can have two faces, the more blue collar kind of look (America) or the more sophisticated, cool and gathered sort of look (like those models or, like, Gwyneth Paltrow). I may be way off! Way, way off!
Thus far, a lot of French women have come across to me as sophisticated, but cynical, critical, and difficult to impress. Um, or maybe just all French people, but, uh, especially women.
[Hope I didn’t offend anyone. hides in a hole]
I’ll watch the video later!
It’s interesting what you say about France being possibly Fi-friendly. The reason I deleted was that I was having doubts about France being ISTP because after all…Blake thinks America is ISTP. But then again, I do wonder if America is actually ESTP after all.
I mean, given all the artistic work and cultural movements in France…it’s hard to believe France is ISTP. It’s more like the people I’ve met physiognomically look “ISxP,” and portray more cynical Ti than, let’s say, the Spanish who I think possess the typical ISFP look.
Fucking hell, I’ve even thought…ENFP. Like the cool cat side of ENFP. I’ve even wondered if Melanie was ENFP, but it doesn’t sit right with me either. Neither did ENFJ.
Could there be “softer-looking” ISTP women out there? I’ve always wondered if real life princesses (or wives of politicians) are often ISTPs. Collected, cool, gathered, stately, dutiful, intelligent, beautiful/graceful.
Ugh. I don’t know. I seem to mix up ENFP, ISFJ, and ISTP women all the time. The cool, calm and sophisticated look. The wife of politician look. (Kate Middleton for example) All three can have it, (I think). Eep! Or maybe she’s ENFJ after all!
The picture that made me think ISTP:
Schlops et al.,
I’m not gonna type French chicks but I’d like to add to the perception of French chicks.
They literally don’t give a fuck. French chicks that is. They are highly sensual creatures who do not care about Fe. They’re hot because they don’t care. They don’t need to pretend to be anything. And they usually don’t flaunt things in the sense that American women do. American women make it too easy. Like huge tits and low-cut top. Or short shorts with the ass hanging out. French women are more subtle in their flaunting. Sleekness. Maybe a low back dress. Or maybe she’s just in all black smoking and sipping her coffee, reading Stéphane Mallarmé. But when you talk to her she responds with piercing eyes and a thoughtful, straight answer. Much more memorable. Not a lot of fake smiling going on with French chicks. And their beauty habits are less is more. Basic, natural. I do not believe French girls or France - (unsure exactly what we’re trying to type here or if it’s just one French girl) are ENFJ.
It’s so hard but fascinating and tempting to think about a country profile. I really really want to know, but then what do I know? I have bits and pieces of knowledge who are all very biased and personal because of course I’ll cross a bunch of FPs along my path as they are the ones I mingle with … But I wish I could hoard all the info until I get enough clarity so that I can see a general pattern. I don’t even know if it’s possible. Maybe it’s the id talking.
This is to say that I get the IxSP impression for France, in a way. These actresses are the perfect portrayal of the stereotype. And then you have all the people you meet on a daily basis… I don’t know. ENFP crossed my mind too. Or at least NF, because of the cultural movements. There’s this history of protest, Fi reaction to Te. The people in general, I’d put them somewhere on a continuum between Germany/England (ISTJ) and Italy/Spain (ISFP). Friendlier than the former, colder than the latter.
Postcard France : ENFJ (Marion Cotillard), real-life France: ISFP (Zaz) ?
About ISTP women, they confuse me a lot. I have a hard time internalizing the fact that men and women ISTP are the incarnation of the same type. They seem so different! I’ve seen in the women you really get the meaning of inferior function as “transcending”. Their Fe is so visible! I’m picturing Jennifer Garner with a big smile.
ISFP also crossed my mind for Mélanie Laurent, but I saw how she didn’t fit the general profile so I guess I’ve been trying to put her into another box by proxy (and imagining enneagram would explain the difference?). I could see the Se aux, so I think ISTP makes sense.
Ooh, to me Kate Middleton is the perfect wife/mother ISFJ prototype. Reminds me of my sister in law.