I never said Trump was an ENTP. If I did it was a typo.
I don’t think it’s an impossibility that Trump is an ENTJ but he DEFINITELY does not fit into the same vein of ENTJ as others Blake has named as ENTJ that are more obvious, like Simon Cowell or Gordon Ramsay. Penelope Trunk is another obvious ENTJ that’s relatively well-known.
Trump is whatever type our old pal supernokturnal was. So if Trump is an ENTJ, then so is super. They operate in the exact same way. (Check out his amazing MBTI empire he’s building on Instagram, lol.) From zero to nearly 10k followers in no time flat. How did he do it? How did Trump win the election?
I think it’s also worth considering how much of Blake’s anti-millennial bias factors into his assessment of Trump (I think…a not-insignificant amount). I also think a lot of people are enamored of Trump simply on the dubious virtue of his political incorrectness, which in and of itself is as a high priority, indicative of, uhhhhh, a certain level of delusion and/or willful ignorance. Like, “oh Trump is so great BECAUSE HE’S POLITICALLY INCORRECT!” I have yet to see anyone explain how exactly that in itself makes for a skillful leader. I also have yet to see anyone explain what virtues of governing Trump has aside from that. (Aside from the other winner: “he’s rich so he MUST be smart”).
Like, I get it. I used to think he was way more of a deliberate, strategic power mastermind than everyone (especially liberals) thought, too. Until I actually DID RESEARCH ON THE GUY. To be fair, I do think he’s more deliberate and strategic, and DEFINITELY brilliant in a weird…oxymoronically reactionary way. Just not an obviously-ENTJ-looking way. In a Supernokturnal kind of way (who is making his own sort of power ploy in the MBTI world that’s reminding me right now of Trump’s journey towards the presidency, lol). Which MAY be an ENTJ way, I don’t know, but again, it’d be a very different kind of manner from the Cowell/Ramsey/Trunk way of going about things. I think it’s about as reasonably far from an ENTJ as it is from ESTP in any case.
My problem with Trump-as-ENTJ is how absurdly much he obsesses over how he looks to people and to the press (i.e. A LOT, has anyone here read his conversation transcripts with Enrique Nieto lol) versus how much he cares about anything actually running well or the people under him being competent. I think we’ll be seeing more of the results of that by the end of this year.
Here are the transcripts from his conversation with the Mexican president and this conversation is one of the biggest things that leans me away from the impression that he’s an ENTJ.
Frankly, he sounds like too much like he’s trying too hard to appease and be liked, in a tert-Fe way, to be an ENTJ. Like “being liked” seems to him overall as a crucial point to whatever he’s aiming for, and I see this in his speeches too, a consistent effort at “petting the feelings” of his supporters or whoever he’s trying to curry favor with. Constant streams of flattery. Flattery is one of his main tools. I see ESTPs as prone to flattering others (see: supernokturnal), ENTJs, not so much. When ENTJs tell people nice things it can be kind of effusive and overwhelming but it feels sincere.
Anyway if I see any of the pro-Trump-is-ENTJ folks on here be like, “WELL I only skimmed that and I still think-” your comments on this topic probably also only deserve skimming lol. DON’T BE LIKE THE MILLENNIALS YOU SO HATE! Have the attention span to understand what you’re actually talking about! And I say this because I have seen MORE THAN ONCE here, and it drives me up a wall, people being like “Uhh I don’t know much about Trump I don’t read much news or politics lol but he’s DEFINITELY [x, y, or z] and if you do not think so, well that’s your liberal/millennial bias and I somehow feel qualified to determine this despite also admitting I DO NOT know what I’m talking about” and that is just mind boggling to me. (In that line of thought: Trump did not write The Art of the Deal which a quick Google search could tell you, so if anyone references that as “proof” of his ENTJ-ness I’m ignoring that too.)
That is what bugs me. Not the, and forgive the hyperbole, the anti-millennial thing or the anti-liberal thing, it’s the use of those things as a mask for what comes across strongly as, for lack of a nicer way to put it, plain ol’ willful ignorance.