Inspired by @Prax’s mention of Ti id and a sense of Overwhelming Wrongness, in this thread:
I was thinking about Ti Aux in ENTP, i.e. I was thinking about myself.
Johnonymous was thinking about himself? I am
- not shocked
@blake, you claimed that the aux function is visible. You can see people doing it. I wonder sometimes how much the prototypical Aux Function in your mind is Fe, because of the fact that you’ve done so much thinking about INFJs. Do you construct a theory like this by extrapolating from observation of INFJ most of all? Do you see this visibility as being the same for dom Extroverts? Do you See ENFJ doing Ni or doing Fe? ENTP doing Ti or doing Ne?
I wonder if it’s possible that For introverts, the aux function is most visible because it’s the most preferred extroverted function, but for extorverts, the dom function is the most visible.
Okay, on the other hand, I actually set out in this post to support your claim because I am optimistic that your theory might be right. I like it. I like the idea of Ti being very visible in my persona. I’m just not sure it’s true. And I should say, I’m not certain the forum is the best way to judge that as I do myself a lot different in print than in person, or at least, I appear a lot different. I think Ne is louder in print and I think in person, if you didn’t know better, it wouldn’t be quite as clear what I’m doing when I’m doing Ne. But it’s still visible. Some would just think I’m making something up, trying to entertain, acting, or on drugs.
Meanwhile, in person, I think Ti is pretty visible for me in this way:
When something falls out of its own logical pattern, I move my head to the side, look down, up, or in some other way abandon my physical stance. Like it breaks any apparent stillness in me. Like when the thing happens its my cue to abandon my observation of the thing and start thinking myself. It’s not super subtle. I like Fishing metaphors for some reason: It’s about like the feeling of having a fish hit your line if you have the line wrapped around your finger. That’s what happens for me when someone says something out of sync with the logic of what they have been saying. It’s like a small, undeniable jerking sensation that I can’t not respond to. Imagine fishing and being like, I’m going to sit here all chill reading a book on my phone while my other hand is holding this fishing rod with the line wrapped through my fingers, and then, fffwwwt, the sensation of sudden tightening on the fingers: it’s difficult to read the rest of the sentence I was on, and hard not to make physical motion signaling a change.
So people who know me, like my wife, know immediately when I disagree even when I don’t want them to. I may as well be throwing a flag in the air: false. If my feedback is desired or not actively undesired I’ll interrupt immediately to understand what I’m missing. I know I’m missing something: I’m missing the specific reason they are making an error in their thinking. This sounds like “Wait, hangon, so why does that part matter?” or “Let me make sure I understand: You did x, y, z, and your goal is A, and now you are concerned about b, and help me understand why.”
It’s a similar sensation to the one I have when doing strategic assessment of business stuff. Like, finally, today, I figured out the problem with Lyft, but I’ve known it everytime they send me a warm, friendly correspondence. The problem with Lyft is they are in the exact market space as uber, subject to the same margin challenges, and yet they are pretending that treating drivers extra friendly is a revenue driver. It’s not. They are misaligned between marketing and revenue, and in the short term that’s fine, but in the long term it is unsustainable. When margins become more fraught, uber has room to raise prices on riders/cut rates for drivers, and has courted drivers who are not pulled to the brand because they are being nice just because, while lyft does not have room to do the same, given its courting of drivers who like the company because they are nice. I’m still not explaining it well but Lyft is internally inconsistent and therefore they are not sustainable. Their survival is fully dependent on them eventually reversing the kindness, which will upset employees and drivers, while uber’s survival is dependent on them doing more of what they are already doing and recruiting employees and drivers based on, meaning no dramatic change in strategic direction will have to occur. Hell, they’ve even televised their intention of moving to driverless vehicles. So there is a nice example of this, I think. I’ve always known Lyft was shit. I didn’t know exactly why but it was like, for the same reason that if I told you I had a two wheeled bike that worked fine with one wheel for now, you’d be like, “So he’s lying because that’s not logically possible. I wonder if he’s lying to me, or telling me something he thinks is true after lying to himself.” Every time lyft sends me friendly corresponence I’m jerking my head to the side.
Anyway, this Ti aux has a sense of OVERWHELMING WRONGNESS. It’s definitely the case that I had to step away from stellar maze for a few days after flat earth first made it’s appearance. I had a guy in my Lyft who made a flat earth claim to me and showed a picture of stars spinning (time lapse) in the sky, and I was like, “Yeah, that’s what it looks like at the poles,” and he said, “No, anywhere,” and I was like, “Shoot, that’s not true.” And we were at his drop off. Weird way to end a ride but par for the Lyft course lol.