Uber, Uber, Uber, Uber, oh, Uber (Da da Dah dah dah du)


#1

I keep getting pwnd by Discourse’s shitty rules–my title is OBVIOUSLY an allusion to the Carpenters.

I was very surprised that Uber ousted its CEO, Travis Kalanick. It’s an incredibly cynical move and it makes me ill. I hate watching businesses from the outside (via media stories). I hate how the articles somehow succeed in framing what is and continues to be a mind melting, dangerously American story of Zero to One in the context of whatever the fuck is getting clicks today and wasting reader’s time.

Kalanick’s resignation is the greatest victory to date for the time-wasting clickbaiters over the real entrepreneur. There are only a few real entrepreneurs and god knows I’ll never be one of them. I mean, hell, they wouldn’t give a shit what the media says about them.

Kalanick managed the growing-up of the most incredible products ever created, and kept the wheels turning on a fiery company built on a singular vision of take no prisoners Americanism, which lasted far longer than the world’s powerful institutions of moderation would have imagined it could, I am sure. The Venture Capitalists, the most powerful of the moderates, have finally won, using, in such cynical fashion it’s a bit revolting, the culture they bet billions (correctly) on, to frame what’s purely a financial concern as a cultural one, one in which they sit on the side of the progressive well-meaners. Just don’t let these mother fuckers (Uber’s board/VCs) open their mouths around the people or they’ll accidentally say something stupid, untrue, and because it’s stupid and untrue, incredibly sexist. One of them had to resign in the middle of this bruhaha when, in a panel with Uber employees about the changes the board was making to the Toxic Bro Culture, with Travis taking a leave of absence and all (he resigned under continued VC pressure days later), appearantly interrupted a woman to say, approximately, that the thing about women is they talk a lot.

In place of possibly the greatest and most committed vision-caster since Steve Jobs we now have Arianna Huffington, creator of your wasted afternoons and evenings.

I remember when Kalanick got press for sticking up for himself when his Uber driver tried blaming him for the driver’s problems. Kalanick quipped that some people want to blame everybody else for their problems. I watched that video and was astounded. I was astounded that the CEO seemed to treat the driver like a total equal. He explained the strategic problems Uber had had: “we wanted to keep prices high. We didn’t want to go low and compete for the low end of the market but we had to. Our competitors were killing us.” The driver brushed this off without a second thought: “no way man, you’re crushing them!” He meant that Uber has lyft handled! And Kalanick comes back with another dose of unadulterated truth: “we are, but that’s because of what I did.”

In our world, taking that kind of responsibility for what you chose to do is so unheard of that no doubt this was seen as arrogant. But I think he meant it literally. And I believe it’s true: had Uber not competed as aggressively as they have against lyft, the market would not have been created. I wouldn’t have spent thousands on carshare rides. I wouldn’t be driving for Uber and lyft right now. I wouldn’t have a $15 an hour option in my driveway with no demanded schedule, no medallion dues, little to no risk of being laid off, or well, forced to resign like the CEO.

At that point in the video the driver dropped pretenses and tried to blame the CEO for the fact that due to Uber’s lowering of prices, he no longer could make the kind of money he used to make.

And at that point I sympathized with the driver. I’ve been there before, blaming some specific person for something in the big old system of my fucked up life. It’s a bad place to be, and someday you wake up and feel pretty silly for it.

But when Kalanick later apologized publically to that driver and the driver was quoted as refusing to accept the apology I thought, okay, for now, fuck that guy.

And I wanted to send Kalanick a tweet, cuz isn’t that what you do? I didn’t. But I wanted to tweet him and say “the first time I got in a cab after using Uber the day before, I was watching the drivers Face In the mirror and trying to understand what that flat look on it was when it hit me: he is oppressed.” Up till literally that moment i had believed that every free market argument was inferior to every union argument, that every private business was ethically Less Than every public institution. And since then I’ve begun to understand that it’s always going to be this way: the freedom seeking man or woman is alone, and will be alone, and will fail or succeed a while until he fails or is pushed out, and if he fails he will be forgotten and if he succeeds we, the twenty somethings with our graduate degrees and our debts to the federal government and our extra poster boards for what protests may come, will find the cause: persistence or birthright or brilliance or the evils of capitalism, or just an easy opening and right time right place (as Mother Jones once put it in a headline about Uber once that pretty much ended my reading of their articles: They built an app and now are worth 50 billion dollars) or whatever the fuck–none of it matters because none of it is true, whether it flatters or detracts. The truth is we don’t know how he or she got there but you couldn’t have done it, if you tried, which you didn’t.

Meh. Nothing converges.

Anyway, in other shit news, Uber is taking the dumbest thing lyft does and adding it to their formerly perfect product: tipping.

Just let me say it, as the only Uber driver who is apparently thinking: tipping economies are good for no one. Don’t tip your fucking driver. take more rides instead. Predictability is worth far more than the $3 extra bucks you from here on out will feel guilty for not giving your Uber driver.

Kalanick will be back as CEO when they start hemoragging value. The only thing worse than bro culture is VC Bro Culture. I predict a Steve Jobsian return.


#2

hahah That’s capitalism for you! (Social capitalism even?) Both crazy highs and lows.

I haven’t really kept up, but it wa slike one contreversy over the next when it came to Uber. And they bled a lot of social capital during it, leaving no symapthies for any of the higher ups in the company. (Haven’t they lost a significant amount of their senior execs or something? It seemed like people were jumping ship or getting ousted right and left).

I don’t know if Kalanick will return, but there seems to be some petitioning happening.

You are right about tipping culture being horrible. I hate it. One of America’s worst cultural exports (I know America didn’t start it, but it made it near-mandatory for so many services it’s bleeding into everywhere, including/especially Canada lol).

But what happens when driverless cars finally hit and Uber automates! What a dream for me but perhaps a nightmare for their workforce.


#3

i want to agree with you, but since i used to work depending on tip,

okay, for example.
think of Nail Salon,
the pedicure/manicure technicians are on ‘stand-by’ if the store is not busy.
and they don’t get paid hourly. some places they get paid $25~$40 a day. 10hour shift.

but let’s say if Employer paid them hourly, of $11/hr.
Employer is losing more money when the business is slow.

and if technicians didn’t get tip, would they be fighting to serve customers?

if there are two technicians on stand-by. and one customer enters,

one technician is getting paid doing nothing, while other technician is helping out the customer.

sure, you might say, but if it’s a commission-based, then it will change the story.

but that other person getting paid $11/hr is still getting paid doing nothing.

receiving tip is what drives these technician to do there job.

and if it weren’t for tipping, many of these people wouldn’t have their jobs.

it goes the same for waiter/waittress, if you think about it from Employer’s point of view.

Employer has to pay all these servers that are on stand-by, and if the business is real slow, employer have to tell the server to go home. because employer doesn’t want to pay the server doing virtually nothing. folding napkins perhaps?

same goes for pizza-delivery.
same goes for massage therapist
same goes for casino-dealers

but i do kinda see the uselessness in taxi-tipping.
unless they provided excellent service/care. but it shouldn’t be a mandatory.

but that’s the thing. tipping is not mandatory unless they charge you 18% for having a group over 5
or depends on their rules and policies.

and try this if you will,
i try to tip 20% of what i’m about to spend,
which means sometimes i tip ahead before my bill.
and you can definitely notice the difference on how they treat you and how well they provide service.

it could be due to their ‘guilt’, but i’m sure they’re trying to show appreciation.


#4

Yeah, sorry about that. Discourse is open source but I’m not a programmer. If you figure out how to change that, let me know, and I’ll look into it. We’re using a pretty much out-of-the box instance of Discourse and though there are check box options to change some of its functionality, I wouldn’t know where to look to get it to stop editing certain titles, such as the “incomplete sentence” one. [quote=“johnonymous, post:1, topic:278”]
I hate how the articles somehow succeed in framing what is and continues to be a mind melting, dangerously American story of Zero to One in the context of whatever the fuck is getting clicks today and wasting reader’s time.

Kalanick’s resignation is the greatest victory to date for the time-wasting clickbaiters over the real entrepreneur.
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I hear ya bro! :grinning:

So, a victory of the moderates (VCs and PC liberals) over the visionaries. The VCs take the side of the well-meaning progressive because that is the culture that Uber caters too?

Framing a financial issue as a cultural one…hmmm.

Political correctness vs. what is financially correct to do. Like, keep the people that have built the company up (Kalanick, first and foremost) rather than become enmeshed in stupid board reviews that cater too much to public/employee sentiment…because god knows they can’t run the company and they don’t have the vision and its because people like Kalanick have balls and vision that they are even in a position to be board-reviewed anyway. Something like that?

And, it is well-known (to former unretarded generations) that women do talk a lot. It’s OK, but…well financial issues vs. cultural ones.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. PC liberalism/progressivism should be kept to a minimum in business for this very reason. I think what you are saying is that we shouldn’t confuse financial and cultural issues.

And you are saying that the VCs were essentially right in betting on this culture, so they were financially correct. But, now they are incorrect because beyond placing a bet, they are not capable of doing what Kalanick did, which was build up a powerful company from the ground up. They just have the skill of betting on a good horse, but, not on being that horse or training that horse to be the winning horse that it was.

They come in with their numbers and metrics and board reviews and essentially ruin the incalculable magic that builds a noble enterprise. Right?[quote=“johnonymous, post:1, topic:278”]
I remember when Kalanick got press for sticking up for himself when his Uber driver tried blaming him for the driver’s problems. Kalanick quipped that some people want to blame everybody else for their problems. I watched that video and was astounded. I was astounded that the CEO seemed to treat the driver like a total equal. He explained the strategic problems Uber had had: “we wanted to keep prices high. We didn’t want to go low and compete for the low end of the market but we had to. Our competitors were killing us.” The driver brushed this off without a second thought: “no way man, you’re crushing them!” He meant that Uber has lyft handled! And Kalanick comes back with another dose of unadulterated truth: “we are, but that’s because of what I did.”
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So, what I see here is that the employee is being listened to over the CEO. Yeah, that’s a recipe for disaster. A little of this is OK. But, in today’s cultural, political, economic climate it is too much this way because of…idiots who have no sense. Why not let the driver run the company for a while. See how that works out. C’mon bro! Don’t be so out of touch. [quote=“johnonymous, post:1, topic:278”]
In our world, taking that kind of responsibility for what you chose to do is so unheard of that no doubt this was seen as arrogant.
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That pretty much nails the issue right there. Responsibility. And taking the risk. This is what entrepreneurs do. They take risk on behalf of everyone. And if they are successful, they reap the benefits and if they aren’t the are the ones responsible for the failure. At least, they are the ones most responsible for it.

And you’re right, no one wants to take that kind of responsibility these days so it is seen as arrogant and entitled. But, it is these very sort of “arrogant” people that are directly responsible for making America the place of freedom and opportunity that it is (or was…or whatever).

And then the VCs come in and cater to the plebs (the lowest common, and highest quantitative, denominator) and ruin it, not because they are financially stupid neccessarily, but, because they lack vision, and ironically, true investment in that vision. Because investment is not just a financial entity. It is spiritual too. Perhaps, more importantly it is a spiritual investment. And the very things the VCs will probaly ruin is the spiritual aspect of free-market enterprise.

Because the entrepreneur is a spiritual figure. That is what is missed in the economic equation. The entrepreneur is not driven solely by money. They are driven by a vision. Which they seek to capitalize on.

To me, this is an issue of the nobility (entrepreneur) vs. the plebs.

And because today’s culture insists on catering to the plebs and asking what they think about x, y, and z, we get a shitty culture.

Personally, I’d rather ask the entrepreneur what they think than the guy who is driving cars for him. Typically, employees do not have the investment, passion, or understanding that the guy who took all the risk in implementing the vision has.

Moreover, in today’s culture (Millennial) employee attitudes are at an all-time low. They just suck. They don’t give a shit about anything. And they blame and resent. And they have been taught to blame and resent (and not take responsibility) by their parents, the media, and the educational system.

Good point. And why do you have that option (imperfect though it may be, bro)? Because of Kalanick’s fiery vision and aggressive and arrogant competitive spirit combined with obvious market knowledge of how the fuck things REALLY work.

So, kudos for the spirit of gratitude you are showing there. I think its a better attitude to take because it shows appreciation and understanding.

Nothing seems more arrogant to me than these entitled and spoiled Millennials who whine and piss over everything because it ain’t the perfect life and station that they were promised.

I mean, aside from being lied to and bullshitted their whole lives by the media and their well-meaning progressive parents etc., the responsibility lies with them. [quote=“johnonymous, post:1, topic:278”]
At that point in the video the driver dropped pretenses and tried to blame the CEO for the fact that due to Uber’s lowering of prices, he no longer could make the kind of money he used to make.
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Yeah, well, what can you say to that? I think the government should initiate an artificial price fixing thing so this guy can make the kind of money he’s used to.

But, then the consumers might complain.

And then Uber would go out of business due to competing options coming along to offer rides at lower prices.

Maybe Uber should get a monopoly on the ride-sharing business. That would fix it.

I think what is to blame here is the Culture of Blame. It’s just a spoiled generation of ingrates raised on social media, a closed circuit system that pats each other on the back for its own resentments and lack of relevance.

Kudos John. You’re a smart guy. Very smart in fact. This whole post of yours reveals an exceptional ability to think and really look at stuff honestly. [quote=“johnonymous, post:1, topic:278”]
But when Kalanick later apologized publically to that driver and the driver was quoted as refusing to accept the apology I thought, okay, for now, fuck that guy.
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Ha, “for now”. Love it. Look at this equitable fairness you display. Fuck you…until further counterbalancing information comes in.

I just say fuck that guy. Why is a driver being quoted and overly-focused on as the pivot of a piece of journalism? What does it prove? Was the guy fucking raped at gunpoint by Kalanick? Jesus. The dude gave him a job. He wouldn’t have had that job if Kalanick hadn’t started Uber, right?

Things are all assbackward in today’s world, I swear.

Brilliant conclusion. Dude, you should write for a magazine on this shit. For me, you’re honestly exploring and struggling with a very loaded issue in today’s cultural, political, economic climate. And it’s very refreshing to see you honestly explore it from both sides. You’re honest because you can see both sides and you’re willing to say that you can see both sides. Or, you are refreshing for that reason. To me, you are speaking as a member of the progressive Millennial generation who has been enmeshed in it, raised in it, so to speak. And now, you are questioning that conditioning as it relates to business, economics, and culture. Though, perhaps, you have always been kind of cuspal. [quote=“johnonymous, post:1, topic:278”]
The truth is we don’t know how he or she got there but you couldn’t have done it, if you tried, which you didn’t.
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This is the really defining line here. This hits the nail so on the head. Yes, that is the truth. Because aside from all these metrics, sound bytes, and great appearance of being informed in a million different ways, the average person does not know, nor care to know, or maybe is not capable of knowing, about the spirituality, magic, and nobility of the entrepreneur.

But, its really the lack of respect (and gratitude) that is sickening to me. If you don’t know or understand, fine. But, have a little respect and humility for chrissakes.

There used to be a thing called having respect and humility before things that you didn’t understand. Not an attitude of arrogance and entitlement and impatient demand before such things.

Incidentally, this is why I am very glad Trump managed to win the election. It is a good sign for a shift in these very attitudes that are being alluded to or discussed herein.

And women do talk too much.

To me Trump nailed it so on the head when he said to Megyn Kelly during the debates that the number one problem with this country is political correctness. I would have voted for him on just that statement alone. Seriously.

Because, in a sense, it doesn’t take much. The truth is not that complicated. When I heard Trump say that it pretty much summed up everything I’ve been feeling is the problem for the last 15-20 years in culture, economics, and politics.

A good entrepreneur has that ability. They have to have that ability in order to succeed. Geniuses have it too. A great power of summation.

What is the fucking problem in a nutshell?

Political correctness.

If I was a venture capitalist, I would have thrown all my money into that ring. Because while I could never be Trump, I knew immediately that he was correct.

I could see the signal in the noise.

Anyway, awesome and moving post dude…I mean, bro.


#5

yes, Johnny, keep these posts coming because it was entertaining to read!

and I laugh at how Blake is coming at the millennials

because it’s kinda true.

but it got me thinking, I wonder if the millennial comes not from the ‘timeline’ but the privileged society that feeds their attitude.

places where there are limited internet access, and places where American cultures are less influenced, millennial generation are not that terrible there.

but in first world country like America, especially in developed areas, kids are prone to be more spoiled and unappreciative .

but sometimes it’s the result of how the older generation raised millennial also.
because x generation didn’t get to enjoy all these privileges, so they spoil their kids by giving these things they didn’t have for themselves. without earning it.

back then listening to music was such a privilege, and didn’t have easy access to music as we do now.
putting in each cassette, rewind, or fast-forward to music you want to listen to. it took much effort to listen to music.
and then CD players came. And then mp3.

but now we can just type in music on our phone and listen to whatever we want. whenever we want.

internet made everything easier and convenient for sure.
but also could’ve done much harm to the society.

but on a bright side, certain areas aren’t so tainted with millennials with lack of respect and appreciation.

but at the same time it’s these millennials that are coming up with ideas that make things convenient to make the world more efficient.

or the people that complain about how things can be done easier. these suggestions can seem so unappreciative but also help improve the society in some ways.

you definitely have the old school mindset and I appreciate that because is some ways I agree.

and it was refreshing for Trump the Mr old-school who brought things back. by not being politically correct.

it’s nice that the world is improving but we shouldn’t dispose all of the older culture because some are valuable.

but if this is all part of “evolution” then it will continue to grow and change in a way that “should” benefit our society.

and the people who bitch and complain about things can do that all day because natural selection doesn’t favor those anyway.


#6

Yay!!! I was waiting for someone to post about Uber.

John, I totally get where you and Blake are coming from, but can we make one thing clear…Travis Kalashnick is not a victim here! And yes, political correctness/left wing thought etc may have exceeded the threshold of reasonableness in this country, but not to the extent where entrepreneurs are being persecuted in some Rand-ianesque fashion. (Quite the opposite, I don’t think America will ever shed its hero worship for business magnates & titans.)

Let’s not forget Kalashnick is worth billions of dollars. And the way in which he was ousted was not exactly disgraceful. He has endless well deserved opportunities in his future. So yeah, I think he’s reaping the rewards.

The board member being forced to resign over his comment regarding women was silly, but the internal problems at Uber deserve to be taken seriously and I would not chalk it up to progressivism/PC-ness run amok. A hostile and harassment ridden workplace is not going to retain or attract talent, especially in the tech world where competition for workers is FIERCE.

And the board caters to public sentiment because…publicity has a direct and swift impact on the bottom line? Remember the wildly successful #deleteuber campaign?

Kalashnick was already allowed to pursue his bold and hyper aggressive vision from the beginning. Make no mistake about that. And it’s clear, and he’s even admitted as such, that a strategy focused on growth to the exclusion of other priorities, has its costs. So let him be accountable for that.

The board made the right call.


#7

This whole post was gold…incredibly valuable for me to read. I especially liked this anecdote, very illustrative.

In the vein of what @lml replied though I’m curious about your thoughts about this blog post from a woman engineer who used to work at Uber…she talks about her experience in the company:


#8

This article is worth the time to read for a summation of what Went down with that driver. Honestly when I saw the video it sold me on Kalanick. At the end of the article the dialogue from the video is summarized and it’s great.


#9

I think the article is pretty brutal, but I also think it’s in and of itself not a condemnation of Travis. There are valuable assholes all over the place doing world changing work and giving everyone a million reasons to have them fired, sued, or shamed. I know that after this article came out Travis met with women across the company and expressed what looked to me to be sincere concern about the way this woman was treated. Which is exactly what I would expect he would feel when I heard of it.

I see a false equivalence drawn in the tech media between his atypical HR behavior (a letter advising everyone not to have sex with colleagues unless those colleagues are expressly requesting it and not wth anyone in their chain of command) and sexist behavior and abuses of power, such as by the engineering leader in that woman’s blog post.

I worked for a company where the founder and the vast majority of the leadership were Mormon. They were genuinely good guys. But they had zero capacity to see talent in women. How many times did I hear derogatory, sexual, or even slightly off comments from them about women (several of whom were notably attractive) in the office? NEVER. And yet, with about 100 employees we had no women above the level of project manager. Because they could not see talent in women. I had an incredibly talented woman tell me in private that her manager was telling her she really shouldn’t make any plans for what she wants to do after her maternity leave bevause, as it was her first baby, she wouldn’t yet know just how strong that bond between mom and baby is. It really changes your perspective. She was asking me to translate the crazy bevause she wasn’t Mormon and had no concept of a manager saying something like that to her and not seeing it as really dismissive of her career goals. It’s easy to think these guys must have been Ass backward or just weird but they were solid. My boss at a public company was married to her boss, another woman, and they’d met at work when the more senior one was at that time Married to a man with a couple kids. Happens also to have been a pretty healthy working environment for me. Sure, boss would call me up and say “you fucking suck at ____ don’t you,” and id say “yeah,” and she’d say “okay here’s what we need to do to fix this: ____.” Meanwhile when another colleague was getting sexts from an powerful man at the company I told her to go to HR and she laughed at me. She said she wasn’t stupid. She called the lesbian couple and they called the man and told him to stay the fuck away from the entry level sales reps and they did.

I guess what I’m saying is:

All corporate culture is fucked in some way, and nothing is fair. From some of these fucked cultures rise world-changing, ideological products and services. Most just make noise and spew toxins and feed their families for it.


#10

I don’t disagree with this. I think what’s irking me about the boards move is I actually think they are doing something that in the immediate near term will make the company worse, not better; I think T.k. Is right about tipping, for example, and I think that the people working for him are working on the basis of believing “we can get shit to happen if we follow this guy.” There is a sort of magic to it and its qualitatively different from, say, Snapchat, which is hype based and will or will not succeed in carving out its slice of the worlds’ most precious resource (our time), or theranos, which was hype based in that it was built on an idea for something that no progress can be shown to have been made toward. It’s much more like apple, with a visionary crazy man running the show. I think what irks me is that the VCs are making the wrong move. like when I’m playing a game and someone makes a wrong move and I don’t let them because I don’t like watching people fuck up if it can be helped.

Probably I’m seeking the pure and perfect ideological test. And I’ve seen Uber as a pretty pure test of radical free marketology, one I got recruited into without realizing it.

Great products change the way we think. Really great products can piss everyone off while they do it. It’s like when the cfo of Uber was asked why they had cut rates in some forum and he said something like “because we can.” Heard as arrogance but actually honesty. Why does anyone do anything?

“Why did you go all in?”
“Because I knew you would call and I wanted all you money.”

Why is lyft such a friendly brand?
Because they have to be.

Why isn’t Uber?
Because their product understands itself completely.


#11

Ummph what a flattering description…I’d prefer to reach my own conclusions!!

Good point. People left comments on her blog post detailing similar experiences at Apple, Google, Lyft, and other startups…even some of the labs I’ve worked with are messed up and that really surprised me at first because I thought ‘it’s scientific research so everyone is going to be objective and not screwed up.’ But guess not…


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#12

Some of the labs I’ve worked for have been messed up beyond all hope. Somewhere on another thread I wrote about the lab I used to work for in the UK. I’ll see if I can find it again.


#13

Here it is:


#14

In my limited experience, clear hierarchies and structures with a single manager for each employee (no matrixy structures or “I report to him for this and her for that”) are the best breeding ground for maximal freedom and accountability at work.

I believe that unpolitical leaders create (through various acts of ommision) very political organizations. Political leaders and strong leaders do a better job of understanding the power they wield, and thus the influence they have, and so they act carefully and withhold information as necessary and don’t try to reinvent the management wheel with things like flat structures or committee decisions or whatever.

The best Example of where lack of structure is a breeding ground for ugly politics is in academia. I read an awesome quote from a source I can’t recall but I think it was the dude who wrote The Black Swan (ENFP?) that said basically “I have found that money as a reward tends to clarify while status and position and appreciation tends to do the opposite,” and I definitely agree.

Therr is a unifying theory of the virtues of capitalism in my head I just know it! I can’t quite get at it. Something in the progressive takedown of uber for sexism gets at the issue for me though.

Maybe it’s something about how easy it is to check the boxes of, let’s say, intersectionality, which is a popular contemporary complication of terms like LGBT rights or feminism or inclusion or diversity. It’s quite easy to check those boxes and get credit for it. But it’s incredibly hard – even imposible – to adopt the model entirely. It’s impossible because by definition it seems what intersectionality means is “do More than you are doing today.” I believe the driving impetus behind this call is not one of “let’s get stuff shifted to the proper place in society for disadvantaged” but rather, “I’m going to attempt to leverage others to change the world in a way I want it changed.” I see this as an a-moral goal. But generally "let’s do more " is going to be met with accolades: “a laudable effort,” some will say. “An incontrovertibly high-minded goal,” we Hear, And nod.

But assigning such meaning to the effort is an error. We have to place such a goal of any individual on par with the goals of any other individual when evaluating it, and we should recognize the billionaires quest for growth in his or her influence and power as equal in a-moral flavor to that of the underprivileged class. Both are the same thing.

It’s truly fair for the billionaire to be unseated, mired in personal lawsuits (Travis K has been personally sued since resigning by folks claiming he personally owes drivers money for giving them 1099 status instead of emloyee status, a legal argument that somehow takes on moral undertones, in spite of the fact that we drivers signed on as 1099 and would be whining just as loud if we were employees, required to work certain shifts, and making set wages–until laid off because the market failed owing to lack of low enough pricing for riders), and it’s fair for billionaires to be unseated. But I find it very annoying and just kind of yucky to see it framed in moral terms.

Why does it bother me though?

its a Personal issue for sure. It bothers me because I would have been framing it in moral terms 8 years ago and shouting the evils of capitalism. And it bothers me because I knew even then how insincere I was but I kept that knowledge wrapped up behind a conscious curtain, homing in on my anger in order to block the reasoning.

So it’s upsetting to me because I don’t like being such a hypocrite maybe? I see a future of being taken down one way or another and expect it to happen to me. Not at this level but at spme level. It is upsetting because I know the right thinking folks won’t win–the angry ones will. It’s just me internalizing the loss of power and being pissed about it. Or something.


#15

Is this “when Fi usurps Te” frustrations? hahah
I think that’s what it kind of comes down to, and Fi has a tricky/sticky way of melding morality into its actions because I guess that’s just how it is.

I think this is part of the game though, the back and forth between those two on the axis. Or at least for Te-users, they see it a bit as part of the game. They do and get as much as they can before they are booted or jump ship with a golden parachute or whatever.


#16

Also I tried to suppress this from happening, but we’ll see! They don’t have a “turn off all ‘helpful’ flags” button so… lol


#17

Tried ueber for first time today. Amazing.


#18

Yeah, I used uber instead of a car for about 18 months while living in the suburbs but traveling a lot. I totally loved it. No parking tickets – that was one of my favorite parts. No meters. No insurance. No Oil Changes which are like $70, with dudes telling you everything is going to shit if you don’t flush and replace and filter stuff (my version of Hell is ambitious jiffylubers articulating serious timely needs above and beyond the oil change itself while @supernokturnal’s voice in my head is whispering either you don’t need any of that shit or maybe dude of course you need that shit or both at the same time.)